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Post by Chance on Jun 28, 2010 23:40:50 GMT -5
Well well well, Seems the popularity of online karaoke is still goin' strong, but one particular site is not however. Singsnap.com Since it's beginning in 2006 by invitation only, the site has grown yes, but also has a growing number of dissatisfied customers. Seems that number is getting bigger. Members have left, creating their own message forums. Check out Singsnap Sucks. singsnapsucks.com/index. Also take a look at Singshare. www.sing-share.com/SMF/index.phpFrom the looks of things, pissed off members (Ooop's, I meant dissatisfied) members have spent enough time on Singsnap to know they wanted outta there and formed a few not too shabby places to go mouth off and not get spanked for it. Singshare really has the feel of hospitality. The creators of this site really knew what they were doing. Singsnap sucks is a bit different. Started by a member who had been banned from using the Singsnap site, Singsnap sucks was created so unhappy and/or former members of Singsnap could mouth off and say whatever was on their minds without the fear of "getting in trouble" from their Singsnap mommy and daddy. Hmmmm, somebody doing a little detective work can see Singsnap could be a clever cover for a cheap dating site. True, or should I just shut my piehole?
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Post by pamplemus on Jun 29, 2010 5:36:35 GMT -5
shout it from the rooftops Chance. as a happily expatriated former member i can endorse both of the sites you mentioned, and agree that they are both as stated. singshare is a wonderful alternative to singsnap and retains much of the spirit of cordiality that singsnap embodied just a couple of years ago, yet squandered through inept administrators and gestapoesque (sp) forum moderators. singshare has forums which are left to the judgement of the adult members, and the conversations i have seen or been party to have always been cordial and open ended. i do not agree with bruce politically, but he has a fine site there and a light touch. it is just as private a site as is singsnap, but has none of the draconian flavor.
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Post by pamplemus on Jun 29, 2010 5:52:57 GMT -5
i think that the site has been used for everything from cybersex to arranged adultery to gospel proselytizing. some people have hooked up there in relationships that are normal and healthy as well. the recorder/mixer is pretty lame but the catalog has improved some. the major problem is not the content or the format or even the social aspect. the main problem, to my view, is that the owner and managers of the site are like the gang that can't shoot straight... they just can't get the hell out of their own way. they clamber about moderating anything that looks vaguely suspect or not entirely politically or religiously PC and end up offending and alienating way more people than the original posts did. the hierarchy they have established to lord it over the rank and file members is so blatantly offensive that it has become a running gag among those who once tried to hold adult discussions there.
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Post by Questioning on Jun 29, 2010 7:19:45 GMT -5
Here's my question. Why does anyone go to a singing site and want to have "adult" conversations, political conversations and the like? It's a singing site, and there are PLENTY of other forums for political conversations. I'm not a sycophant of SingSnap and rarely spend time there anymore, but I'm not sure why people felt they were being censored or thought they had the right to say anything they wanted. Someone owns the site. If they want to delete posts that are not complimentary they have every right to do so. It's not a public forum, it's somebody's site.
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Post by sssucksmember on Jun 29, 2010 10:53:17 GMT -5
All I am going to say is this. Don't be fooled by Trevor McGurie. He is one sly fox. He knows how to twist a story to suit him.
All the SS cult members trust him and believe every word out of his mouth. Meanwhile he doesn't realize that so many people have done some investigating on their own about him and his many antics.
He may have had the best site at one time on the net. Now he has nothing but a bunch of trained seals. They work for free gold and who knows what else depending on your gender.
He is a dictator and nothig more. He too will fall at some point. And when he does it will be a huge fall.
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Post by pamplemus on Jun 29, 2010 11:10:44 GMT -5
well questioning guest, i suppose that the reason that people felt they had the privilege of having "adult" conversations is that forums on such topics as religion and politics for example, have been established as categories in specifically those areas. these were put in place to drain off the conversationalists in these areas who were filling up the "general discussion" boards. also, there have been put in place "inner circles" which were plainly and clearly declared to be off limits from moderators or censorship, only to turn out to have been monitored all along. these were put in place largely to drain off the more volatile discussions that were occurring in (primarily) the religious and political forums. the "private message" feature has also been revealed to not be private at all, but to be routinely perused among a great swath of staff, both paid and volunteer. as to censorship, people likely feel they are being censored when the volunteers go into discussions and arbitrarily and frequently delete topics, discussions, and individual posts they feel do not fit, regardless of whether they are critical of singsnap, the staff, other members, or are simply politically, religiously, or otherwise incorrect. if they did not want political conversations then perhaps they should not have a political category. simply because a person has a private site does not mean that it is right for them to allow only approved thought, and most especially not if the members are paying into the service. if they want it to be "a singing site" then they should shut down the forums entirely and make it a singing site, or alternately eliminate ALL posts that are political, religious, or of any nature other than related directly to karaoke or singing. this suggestion has been advocated time and again both on the site, and on Singsnapsucks.com, to no avail and to deaf ears. the reason that these discussions were originally allowed is because it served the purpose of engendering interest in the site originally and kept people on the site, if only for the purpose of continuing their flame wars. now that their purpose of co-opting much of the membership of formerly established sites such as ksolo has been realized, their goal to be seen as "THE on-line karaoke family" has compelled them to modify their business model and eliminate fiery and outspoken members. hey, it worked for that old bootlegger joe kennedy, but if you don't think that this sucks a little, then it is hard to take seriously your claim that you are not a singsnap plant or mouthpiece.
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Post by Chance on Jun 29, 2010 11:49:53 GMT -5
i think that the site has been used for everything from cybersex to arranged adultery to gospel proselytizing. some people have hooked up there in relationships that are normal and healthy as well. the recorder/mixer is pretty lame but the catalog has improved some. the major problem is not the content or the format or even the social aspect. the main problem, to my view, is that the owner and managers of the site are like the gang that can't shoot straight... they just can't get the hell out of their own way. they clamber about moderating anything that looks vaguely suspect or not entirely politically or religiously PC and end up offending and alienating way more people than the original posts did. the hierarchy they have established to lord it over the rank and file members is so blatantly offensive that it has become a running gag among those who once tried to hold adult discussions there. What site was used for adultery and cybersex? Singsnap? Would be interested in hearing more about this. I am doing a little research on online karaoke sites this summer and will be putting together an article for submission in the fall of this year. I want to go beyond the general information and get into the heart of what it's really like participating in this type of community. I am also digging into Myspace Karaoke and a few others as well, but the name Singsnap keeps popping up so far as the one place where there seems to be a lot of bullying, extramarital affairs, harassment and other things. No ones user names would be used and I'm hoping you dint mind sharing some of your experiences.
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Post by pamplemus on Jun 29, 2010 11:50:17 GMT -5
also questioning guest, let us put the shoe on the other foot. singsnapsucks.com is a private site and it states clearly on the title page the purpose of the site is for critics of singsnap to have a site where they can express their criticism in an atmosphere free of the abuses meted out to members who attempt to post such views on singsnap. now, i am going to go out on a limb and guess that you have at least lurked that site. do the staff and membership of singsnap honor the declared intent of that PRIVATE site? of course they do not, but come in consistently to criticize and flame those who post views critical of trevor, connie, annie, and singsnap policy. i did notice that you did not declare that activity to be off limits when you made your careful disclaimer of not being a singsnap sycophant. it seems that the only critical light that shines is on those who speak against the treatment they have seen or personally received via singsnap.
"Singsnapsucks was created specifically as a place for users to vent frustrations at Singsnap and the powers behind it with anonymity and without fear of being "forum-jumped" by the site's legions of sycophants just because you want to discuss something negative. Here, you can speak your mind about the things they don't want you to talk about on Singsnap." - declaration of intent from the singsnapsucks.com home page
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Post by pamplemus on Jun 29, 2010 11:57:12 GMT -5
i think that the site has been used for everything from cybersex to arranged adultery to gospel proselytizing. some people have hooked up there in relationships that are normal and healthy as well. the recorder/mixer is pretty lame but the catalog has improved some. the major problem is not the content or the format or even the social aspect. the main problem, to my view, is that the owner and managers of the site are like the gang that can't shoot straight... they just can't get the hell out of their own way. they clamber about moderating anything that looks vaguely suspect or not entirely politically or religiously PC and end up offending and alienating way more people than the original posts did. the hierarchy they have established to lord it over the rank and file members is so blatantly offensive that it has become a running gag among those who once tried to hold adult discussions there. What site was used for adultery and cybersex? Singsnap? Would be interested in hearing more about this. I am doing a little research on online karaoke sites this summer and will be putting together an article for submission in the fall of this year. I want to go beyond the general information and get into the heart of what it's really like participating in this type of community. I am also digging into Myspace Karaoke and a few others as well, but the name singsnap keeps popping up so far as the one place where there seems to be a lot of bullying, extramarital affairs, harassment and other things. No ones user names would be used and I'm hoping you dint mind sharing some of your experiences. yes, i am talking about singsnap, chance. often the trolling occurs in their online "contests". lonely housewife meets some guy that posts his high school picture and posts her picture from three kids prior. they slobber all over each other awhile then make arrangements to hook up in real life. a good deal of relatively innocent flirtation occurs of course, but the formula in various guises is much the same. i have seen real flame wars break out when people have been outed for blatantly and obviously attempting to seduce married men, or women, and they vociferously and indignantly protest that they were not engaged in such activity at all. weeks later though, the two parties are found to be an "item" and the spouses are embroiled in turmoil. one woman i know got involved in this manner to the point that her husband started searching out the man who she had been flirting with, and it almost became a case of attempted murder. after it was all over, and she swore to cut it off, she found another virtual lover and started in all over again.
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Post by pamplemus on Jun 29, 2010 12:02:32 GMT -5
singsnap religious forum once had a relatively lively format and people engaged in some very interesting discussions, which did on occasion become heated. they have since sterilized it down to the church lady show though, and little of substance was occurring the last time i dropped in, which has admittedly been several months now. the politics forum was not so severely cropped and continued to have sometimes witty, sometimes droll, sometimes insightful, and sometimes dull posters on a regular basis, and it was usually the same half dozen or so regulars. again, i do not know the state of that forum since my banishment either.
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Post by Chance on Jun 29, 2010 12:07:18 GMT -5
Here's my question. Why does anyone go to a singing site and want to have "adult" conversations, political conversations and the like? It's a singing site, and there are PLENTY of other forums for political conversations. I'm not a sycophant of SingSnap and rarely spend time there anymore, but I'm not sure why people felt they were being censored or thought they had the right to say anything they wanted. Someone owns the site. If they want to delete posts that are not complimentary they have every right to do so. It's not a public forum, it's somebody's site. For the most part, I agree but I've been spending quite a bit of time on the Singsnap message boards to really get a feel for how they operate and get an idea of who the trigger members are. The ones who seem to be flagged as trouble makers. In less then a week, I have made a list of quite a few. As far as the staff and so called volunteers, I recently witnessed a very interesting thing there. I happened to catch a member post a new thread. I happened to be on the boards when it was first created and then posted in public. It was a complaint and it was posted to get attention. No doubts about that. After 10 or 15 mins, two other Singsnap members posted replies and put in their two cents but not long after that, a red font staff member replied followed by 3 volunteer replies. The volunteer replies clearly backed up the reply left by staff. This all seemed very military to me. It was almost as if there were cameras everywhere and these people were waiting to pounce on anyone that did not post anything bright and cheery. What happened next was what really got me interested in this site. After clicking around for a bit, I went back to the thread to see any new updates but I couldn't find it. I thought I was going crazy but after looking for a while realized the thread was pulled or deleted. I think I'll be spending quite a bit of time on this site. There's much more going on then what I first thought. So while agreeing that a site owner has the right to modify, delete or reply to any posts by a member, a popular site with a successful message board should never ever censor a paying member who are in my opinion paying customers and the folks with the upper hand here. There are also posts by the sites few free members but I have seen moderations and deletions of threads by both free and paying members. I can seriously see the decline of memberships slowly dying little by little over time. I don't understand the large amount of volunteers also. Do they gain access to the site admin tools as well, or do they just sit on their chair all day following the staff leader around?
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Post by Chance on Jun 29, 2010 12:12:52 GMT -5
Here's my question. Why does anyone go to a singing site and want to have "adult" conversations, political conversations and the like? It's a singing site, and there are PLENTY of other forums for political conversations. I'm not a sycophant of SingSnap and rarely spend time there anymore, but I'm not sure why people felt they were being censored or thought they had the right to say anything they wanted. Someone owns the site. If they want to delete posts that are not complimentary they have every right to do so. It's not a public forum, it's somebody's site. Yes, it IS a public forum site. All online message boards have an owner behind the scenes. It is up to that owner to censor or not. Adult conversations are WHY people post on boards in the first place. Free speech is another reason. If you constantly try to shut people up, a site that asks for membership money will slowly be destroyed. So far, I have not seen this on the other karaoke sites. The greatest majority of problems keep coming out of Singsnap only.
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Post by pamplemus on Jun 29, 2010 12:14:07 GMT -5
if you follow the activity of the site for only a short while chance, you will discover what so many others have. it operates as a religious cult. they have high priests, a pope, nuns (with varying degrees of adherence to the vow of chastity), sanctions against heretics, a strict hierarchy, a catechism (the TOU/COC), a ready army of disciples to pounce on any reprobate backsliders, and unquestioning loyalty both to the cause (furthering the singsnap domain and spreading the 'spirit of singsnap') and to the infallible leader and his high priestess. several people have pointed this out over the months, and you will no doubt see the simile. in fact, i would think this would be a much better topic for your paper, and a much richer field of inquiry. you have already seen the militaristic position displayed, and what is a military body other than a religious institution with guns?
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Post by Chance on Jun 29, 2010 12:15:58 GMT -5
All I am going to say is this. Don't be fooled by Trevor McGuire. He is one sly fox. He knows how to twist a story to suit him. All the SS cult members trust him and believe every word out of his mouth. Meanwhile he doesn't realize that so many people have done some investigating on their own about him and his many antics. He may have had the best site at one time on the net. Now he has nothing but a bunch of trained seals. They work for free gold and who knows what else depending on your gender He is a dictator and nothing more. He too will fall at some point. And when he does it will be a huge fall. What made you say "depending on your gender"? That interests me. From what I've seen so far, I don't think the "free gold" matters all that much to the volunteers. It seems to be more of a devotion thing.
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Post by pamplemus on Jun 29, 2010 12:18:55 GMT -5
i agree with that chance. the free gold is merely a bauble. the authority and glory, such as it is, is the real drawing card for volunteers. there are of course the true believers in the singsnap cause, and these are like the lower level masons. the high degree singsnappers i believe are more in the know about what is going on behind the scenes and are more witting accomplices in governing the membership. as to the gender reference, i think the poster meant that there is some hanky panky involved behind the scenes, either real, or virtual. this occurs in any organization though, so i don't personally think it is an endemic flaw peculiar to singsnap.
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